Friday, February 18, 2011

Tariq Ramadan and the Oxford Haskalah Attempt

Written by Husain Al-Qadi

At a time when momentous events are taking place in the Muslim world, it may puzzle some that we at UmmahPulse are harping on about Haskala and reformation. Well, the truth is that the two are linked in more ways than meet the eye, something that I will come back to later.
Those of you who read the JumahPulses regularly will have noticed that there is an on-going debate in the comments section on the website regarding our recent choice of topics. While some have welcomed our courage in tackling difficult issues to do with reformation, others have accused UmmahPulse of choosing easy targets (e.g. Sarah Joseph) as opposed to towering figures like Tariq Ramadan, who was the inspiration behind the conference held in Oxford called Rethinking Islamic Reform.

The pre-conference hype greatly raised expectations in some circles in respect of the impact they hoped the event would have. As one organiser put it, "It will change the world," and another hopeful chimed in with, "We need more than small talk". In fact, the world media, although present in full force on the night, decided by and large to ignore the conference. Here at UmmahPulse we chose not to cover it because it turned out to be an oversold tempest in a teacup.

However, events in the last few weeks have caused us to reconsider our decision. Apart from the accusations of timidity on the forums, our concerns over the activities of Mr Ramadan were heightened with the airing of a BBC TV programme, in which he issued a fatwa to a confused Muslim couple who used to be leading lights in the Islamic Society of Britain. The fatwa not only contravened major aspects of usūl al-fiqh (principles of jurisprudence) but also had the potential to corrupt believers' faith in the fairness of Divine Judgement. He told the couple that they could ignore the explicit verses of the Quran in the interests of "fairness" and grant their daughters and son equal shares in their inheritance. According to Ramadan, this was because the "context had changed" and they could only follow the Quranic injunction (that sons get twice the share of daughters) if the son provided a guarantee that he would take financial responsibility for his sisters for the rest of their lives. In addition, by relying on a hadith that is not applied in the fiqh of inheritance, he made the couple alter unnecessarily their shared ownership of the family home.

We therefore decided to warn people about Mr Ramadan and his deviancy. We knew this would cause a stir in some circles and, judging from some of the comments we have received, it took some people by surprise.

The reason for the shock is that the image of Mr Ramadan over the last six years has been managed quite well by a diligent network of supporters. They promote him in the Muslim community as a superstar Muslim intellect who is beyond reproach. This, of course, is easy in a media-driven society where anyone can become famous merely for being famous, especially if you have published 20 books (packed with postmodernist mumbo-jumbo) and have a host of academic titles and magazine accolades to your name. These credentials raise you close to sainthood in the eyes of many, particularly if no one in the community raises serious questions.

Tariq Ramadan's meteoric rise to fame in the Muslim community has not been plain sailing. Although he had become the darling of the Western media years ago, the Muslims in the West, as Mr Ramadan himself acknowledges, did not want anything to do with him initially. It was only when his visa to the USA was revoked in 2004, and he was seen as a victim of American oppression, that he earned sympathy and acceptance within Muslim circles. Ironically, he now lectures Muslims on how not to see themselves as victims.

A Refined Campaign to Deconstruct and Reform Islam

Nowadays, Mr Ramadan gives the impression that in the Muslim community it is only those with "highly traditionalist" or "salafi literalist" approaches that disagree with him.[1]

In the early days his message was clear and blunt. The 'ulama (Islamic scholars) were to be ignored, traditional learning (including that taught at al-Azhar) was useless and all the 'ulama in the world were inept because they were people of texts and ignorant of contexts. He was right and everyone else was wrong – and to prove it, all Muslim countries needed to sign up to his global moratorium on hudud (capital punishment) or be forever condemned as backward and barbaric. Obviously, he did not anticipate the ferocity of the response to such bold posturing.

Leaving aside the "traditionalists" and the "salafis", even the so-called moderate scholars came down on him like a ton of bricks. For example, the famous Dr Taha Jaber al-Alwani - who can neither be accused of being unfamiliar with modern contexts (he has been settled in a career in the West since 1983), nor intellectually inept so as to be unable to understand the true meaning of the moratorium - was so outraged at the cheek of Mr Ramadan in issuing such a call that he wrote:

"Fabricating lies against the Muslim nation is unacceptable, be it done by an individual or a group. Moreover, such a fabricator or alleger against the Muslim nation is deemed wrong, regardless of the validity of his point of view. Dr Tariq should have referred such an issue to specialized men of religion and institutions, namely the Muslim jurisprudents and scholars and Islamic fiqh academies, instead of changing the issue into a media topic that preoccupies Muslims. This religion consists of belief and Shari'ah (Islamic Law), and the latter is application of the former. The difference between Shari'ah and fiqh (Islamic jurisprudence) is that Shari'ah is set by Allah; whereas fiqh is the human comprehension of Shari'ah. In addition, religion has been perfectly completed by the message of Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him). Thus, religion is not incomplete, neither in belief nor in Shari'ah, that some individual or group comes today to allege that they are going to complete it.

"The success achieved by Shari'ah in forming our culture, mentality, and tradition changed it into part of our identity. So, any trial to separate us and Shari'ah means that there is a plot to efface our identity, culture, and tradition. There is not a believer, believing in Allah, His Messenger and the Last Day, who can support such a plot or claim that we Muslims are in no longer need of Shari'ah. There is a common misconception among some people as regards the comprehensive meaning of Shari`ah – that includes acts of worship, dealings, and morals, and penalties. This made some people, due to their ignorance, refer to Shari'ah as penalties or penal law. This is, in fact, a very limited perception that shows their lack of understanding of both fiqh and Shari'ah... The proposal of deactivating the Islamic legal penalties today is a trial to remove the barriers between liberalism and Muslim man, for the purpose of getting belief and Shari`ah out of his mind... Destruction of Islamic Law (Shari'ah) has always been a target, for our enemies are aware that Shari'ah is the real obstacle in their destructive schemes. So it is by no means acceptable or reasonable that one of the members of the Muslim nation comes today to fabricate allegations that contribute to the demolition of the nation..."[2] (To read the full article and the views of other scholars please visit the comments section of our last JumahPulse.)

There were many other moderate scholars who also severely criticised his action. Their articles condemning him were published on the Islamonline website in 2005 but in the years since, many have mysteriously disappeared from the site. Recent events may offer an explanation.[3]

Traditional Learning

These sharp rebuttals seem to have caused Mr Ramadan to rethink his strategy. In the Oxford conference he went to great lengths to convince the audience of his "Azhari credentials":

"When I went to Egypt to study - because it was not possible and I think also that in the future Western Muslims should have institutions in the West - but I went to Egypt, and I was with scholars. In fact, there is something common in our journey too, to Islamic knowledge. I was born and raised in the west and going back to Egypt for example (it was in Egypt for me), I went to traditional one-to-one courses with scholars, and what I wanted is to get the knowledge, and what we call in the traditional way of teaching ijazaat."

This gives the impression that he sees merit in doing what he did but if one reads his earlier writings, his true feelings about the traditional way of learning are quite the opposite. If fact, he is fascinated with the analysis of the Masonic, neo-Mu'tazilite Muhammad Abduh. In his book, To be a European Muslim, Ramadan quotes extensively from Abduh in his chapter called "Prospects for contemporary Ijtihad":

"The movement, born more that 200 years ago, has provoked consistent disruption with the traditional religious curricula in the great Islamic universities of the Muslim World. Even if the improvements are not visible, one can witness important changes since Muhammad Abduh expressed deep criticism against the 'old, fusty and useless teaching of al-Azhar' for instance. 'If today I have some knowledge that can be mentioned, it is only due to my efforts, during more than ten years, to try to clean up my mind from the dirt and rubbish al-Azhar put into it. So far, I have not been able to reach the cleanliness I wished for'" (Ramadan, T, To Be A European Muslim (1999), p.93).

He tries to gloss over these quotes in the paragraphs that follow but one cannot help but ask why he would quote such vile statements in his book about traditional learning unless he himself has some sympathy with them.

The fact that he now routinely goes to great lengths to convince people of his links with traditional learning form scholars of al-Azhar can only be seen in the light of expediency. Following the shock caused by questions that were raised about his credentials when he called for a moratorium on hudud, it became clear that without such qualifications, no one would listen to him. Therefore the world was offered a half-baked narrative about intensive one-to-one studies with shuyukh at al-Azhar for a period of less than two years.

Arabic Language Incompetence

A basic pre-requisite for the study of advanced texts with shuyukh is proficiency in Arabic, and I do not mean the Arabic spoken in the streets of Cairo. In the Arab world, when people say "someone knows Arabic", it means he is competent in fushaa (classical Arabic). Without this, one cannot even begin to grasp the subjects Mr Ramadan has claimed to have studied in great depth at the feet of al-Azhar's senior scholars.

The sad truth is that Mr Ramadan has repeatedly been observed to have little or no expertise in classical Arabic. For example, in the Oxford conference he demonstrated his utter ignorance of the language. Every first year student of Arabic would be able to distinguish between the transitive and intransitive forms of verbs they use. The verb fasada is intransitive and in order to use it in transitively, it must be placed in the form of af'ala (i.e. afsada). This is basic morphology that every student should know. Yet Mr Ramadan appeared completely oblivious to this rule when, in an attempt to quote a hadith, he said, "fasadahaa" to mean "people corrupting the shariah". Such obvious incompetence in the use of basic Arabic while claiming to have studied the complicated texts of usul al-fiqh in Arabic is revealing.

Referring to a Hadith That Does Not Exist

The hadith to which Mr Ramadan was attempting to refer was quoted as the foundation for the entire discussion by the first speaker, Shaykh Hamza Yusuf Hanson. The terms din (religion), sunnah (example) and shari'ah (way) have different meanings in Islam. There are ahadith similar to the one mentioned in the conference with the word din and the word sunnah but there is no hadith of the sort mentioned with the word "shari'ah". In other words, I could not find any hadith that says that Allah will send someone at the turn of every century to renovate the shari'ah or that the ghuraba (strangers) will renovate the shari'ah, which is what it appears the speakers were attempting to say.

This is significant because attention to detail in hadith is required of scholars in general but especially when they are attempting to reform or renovate the religion in deviation from received traditions. Each term has specific connotations. There is a big difference between tajdid ("renewal") of din or sunnah and the tajdid of the shari'ah.

Corruption of the din and sunnah predominantly arises from the general public in the form of neglect and carelessness, whereas a corruption of the shari'ah is predominantly linked to the custodians of the shari'ah, that is the 'ulama, who are the inheritors of the prophets.

However, when we look at the prophecies relating to the corruption of the knowledge of the shari'ah, we find the opposite to this scenario. The Knowledge and Guidance will remain protected through divine providence until such time that Allah decides to take it away from the world. He will do so by bringing about the death of 'ulama in whose hearts this Knowledge is preserved. Then the ignorant would be taken as scholars and they would mislead people and be misguided themselves, i.e. having corrupted the shari'ah. When this happens, no human being will have the power to rectify it – not even with all the libraries of the world at his disposal.

Removing the Authority of the 'Ulama

It might seem quite innocent to suggest, as Mr Ramadan did in Oxford, that there is a need to "shift the centre of gravity of authority in Islam". He wants to set up councils to discuss matters of fiqh and usul al-fiqh, where the centre of gravity of authority no longer rests with the 'ulama, which is where Allah and his Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) have placed it. He wants the 'ulama to share their position and authority with experts in the fields of contexts, with thinkers and intellectuals. As part of this new structure of authority he also said that "we need sometimes people who are not Muslims," i.e. in the fiqh councils.

Now, let's put this into perspective. Imagine if someone were to say to the judges of this country that there must be a shift in the centre of gravity of their authority and that, from now on, they would have to share their authority with expert witnesses that serve in their courts. They would no longer be able to make independent rulings on the basis of information provided by expert witnesses, rather the witnesses would now have to share in the authority of determining the ruling. The response would be, "Have you taken your medicine today, sonny?"

However, when it comes to Islam and Muslims, we are all too willing to give the benefit of the doubt to anyone posing as a scholar, which is indicative of the level of concern we have for our souls compared with for our physical bodies. We would never allow a man who says he did a two-year crash course in surgery to perform heart surgery on us but with our imaan, it matters not if he is a neo-Mu'tazilite who says:

"I believe we must now return to the sources of the fundamentals of law and jurisprudence (usul al-fiqh) and question the original categorizations and methodologies." (Ramadan, T., What I Believe, Oxford University Press (2010), p. 85)

Let us ask ourselves: who were the people who set the foundations of those categorisations and formulated those methodologies? They were the likes of Imam Abu Hanifa and Imam Al-Shafi'i. To suggest that Mr Ramadan, or any other televangelist Muslim today, possesses the knowledge and skill to deconstruct the works of Imam Abu Hanifa and Al-Shafi'i is beyond arrogance. It is delusional and whoever chooses to follow such misguidance will have much cause for regret.

Psychological Manipulation

I do not blame people for falling prey to this pretentious charade. It is cleverly done. Mr Ramadan criticised the 'ulama for having no insight into and ignoring the "psychology of fatwa". I think the psychology of his rhetoric deserves some scrutiny. If you sit and listen to a 45 minute lecture in which a lecturer tells the you, the audience, 43 times that what he is saying to you about your religion is "quite important" or "very important", then it is highly likely that you would go away with the impression that this person is indeed "important" to your faith.

This is exactly what Mr Ramadan did in the Oxford conference. In almost each minute of his presentation, the audience was told "this is important" or "this is very important". The other psychological stunt he employed was to over-emphasise the presence of ikhtilafaat (differences of opinion among scholars) to such a degree as to suggest that the concept of ijma' (consensus) is non-existent in Islam.

He also attempted to pre-empt criticisms. "This was not to please the West," he protested repeatedly but he offered no explanation as to why his entire prescription dovetailed perfectly with the wishes and aspirations of Western orientalists. "I do not want to reform Islam", "I am not touching Islam", "I am just touching the minds", he declared, yet his proposal is for a new a structure of authority and a new usul in which the fundamentals of jurisprudence would be deconstructed to conform to the so-called "new modern ethic" which, by and large, is Western.

Conclusion

Changing the laws of inheritance that are unambiguous in the Quran without any justification pushes believers not only beyond the boundaries of halal and haram but also into confusion and doubt at a time when Muslims are being targeted from all angles. It is a time when they need support and fortitude in faith and certainly do not need their faith to be undermined by references to imaginary notions of a “superior universal ethics” positioned over and above Revealed Guidance. Allah says in the Quran:

وَمَا كَانَ لِمُؤْمِنٍ وَلَا مُؤْمِنَةٍ إِذَا قَضَى اللَّـهُ وَرَسُولُهُ أَمْرًا أَن يَكُونَ لَهُمُ الْخِيَرَةُ مِنْ أَمْرِهِمْ ۗ وَمَن
 يَعْصِ اللَّـهَ وَرَسُولَهُ فَقَدْ ضَلَّ ضَلَالًا مُّبِينًا

"It is not for a believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter, that they should [thereafter] have any opinion or choice in the matter. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has certainly strayed into clear error." (33:36)

The Mu'tazilites were a deviant group of rationalists who appeared in the latter part of the first century of Islam. The core of their deviancy was in prioritising human intellect over and above Revealed Wisdom. Their reappearance in the late 19th Century was influenced by colonialism and Freemasonry.

One need only look at the graph on page 38 of Mr Ramadan’s book, To Be A European Muslim, to see that he has an agenda to continue the work that was started by the Neo-Mu'tazilite activists of the 19th century.

He classifies the period between 1258 and 1870 as a period of "stagnation and decline" for the Muslim world. 1870 onwards he deems to be the period of "reassertion of ijtihad". Muhammad Abduh was born in 1849 and 1871 was the year when Jamal Al-Din al-Afghani entered Egypt. Mr Ramadan's neutral description of his activities is revealing:

"As revealed by Abduh, he [Afghani] developed in his students a practical inclination: he encouraged them to engage in the publication of magazines, to put in motion a current of opinion and to join, like he himself did, the Masonic lodges of French inspiration." (Tariq Ramadan, Aux Sources du Renouveau musulman, D'al-Alfghani a Hassan al-Banna un siecle de reformisme islamique, Paris 1998, p. 54)

After six years in exile from British Egypt (1882-1888), Muhammad Abduh returned to Cairo and soon became Shaykh al-Azhar.

Similarly, Mr Ramadan's six year ban (2004-2010) from the United States also boosted his profile (among Muslims in the West), and whereas it is now proven through several academic studies that Abduh served in the office of al-Azhar as a loyal servant to his Masonic masters[4], we do not know who is behind the scenes of the antics we have so far witnessed from Mr Ramadan. All we know is that when given the chance, he has always remained keen to police the thoughts of Muslims in a way that is comforting and consistent with particular Western sensibilities, even when those thoughts seem pretty banal and entail no adverse consequences for Muslims. The coincidences are numerous and I will leave you with one more example:

For Mr Ramadan, "Muslim countries" may no longer be referred to as "Muslim countries" because that may – God forbid – inadvertently imply the non-existence of minorities in those countries, which is concerning to Westerners. Therefore, all Muslim countries must be re-named "Muslim majority countries", i.e. Muslims are merely a majority but the country cannot be labelled "Muslim". Muslims merely happen to be there in large numbers, whereas to say "Muslim country" could also mean Islamic and that is to be avoided. It is unsurprising that, so far, he has failed to show a similar enthusiasm in demonstrating his creativity to find new demographically-conscious names for Western countries. How about "Muslim minority countries"?

If some people remain inclined to give Mr Ramadan the benefit of the doubt, after all that has been said here, simply because he is the grandson of Hasan Al-Banna (r.a.), then please spare a moment to reflect on the shocking revelation he recently made to the journalist Benjamin Pauker of Foreign Policy Magazine: "I grew up in a very liberal family. I was left alone to decide whether to pray or not to pray" (Foreign Policy, Jan/Feb 2011). Lineage has no value when one is disconnected from one's heritage. Moreover, he is not the first deviant in the family. His great uncle, Jamal Al-Banna (brother of Hasan Al-Banna), is infamous for his deviant writings and for appearing on Egyptian TV issuing all sorts of errant fiqh rulings on inheritance, criticising 'ulama, delegitimising hijab, promoting free mixing and kissing between the sexes, etc. The difference between him and Mr Ramadan is that in Egypt, Jamal al-Banna, thanks to the diligence of the 'ulama in challenging him, is seen as a delusional Walter Mitty character and ignored by everyone. In Europe however, the nephew's peddling of old Mu'tazilite ideas repackaged in postmodernist mumbo-jumbo is being taken seriously by some as gems of the mujaddid of the century.

Some might say: why can't we just agree to disagree? I would have been a proponent of this approach myself in circumstances other than those in which we find ourselves today. As distant as they may seem, the events in Egypt within the last few weeks are intricately linked to this discussion. Western governments are hoping for a reformation of Islam in the Muslim world and the successes they have witnessed with the likes of Tariq Ramadan and others in the West have raised their hopes and plans to suit. Where, in the past, reforming Islam was merely a dream, nowadays Tariq Ramadan and his followers are examples to be brought to the fore to embolden those who once thought it was impossible. If Egypt, which is at the heart of the Arab world, can be changed then the rest of the Muslim world would be a breeze.

The person the West has prepared for this task Egypt is Dr Ayman Nour, who personifies their aspirations. He possesses all the necessary characteristics and ambitions. From his book, Yawmiyyaat Sahafi Mushagib, published in 2000, one is able to understand why in 2005, while the USA was using Egypt for extraordinary renditions and torture, Condoleezza Rice cancelled a visit to Cairo in protest when Nour was arrested.

The so-called revolution in Egypt was nothing more than a well-managed role rotation to facilitate the entry of the "right kind of people" who will implement large scale "social reform" (which is diplomatic speak for reforming Islamic practices). Such a project requires people with a genuine mandate, something that Mubarak did not possess, so he had to go. This is what is meant by "turning volatility into opportunity for reform". I expect that in the days and months to come, we will see more and more of Ayman Nour and the young activists with ties to the US who will seek to turn Egypt into something that would have made Muhammad Abduh and his Masonic masters very pleased. The vision is of a 21st Century (Egyptian) Ataturk who, with the help of his “young turks” ("young Masrees"), will create a constitution so intensely secular that Islam will have little or no room to breathe, let alone influence policy.

The likes of Tariq Ramadan and all those who are calling for a full scale reformation are implicated in this global onslaught against Islam. They provide succour and encouragement to the people in Western corridors of power who hold ambitions that stretch far beyond "democratic elections".

يُرِيدُونَ أَن يُطْفِئُوا نُورَ اللَّـهِ بِأَفْوَاهِهِمْ وَيَأْبَى اللَّـهُ إِلَّا أَن يُتِمَّ نُورَهُ وَلَوْ كَرِهَ الْكَافِرُونَ

"They want to extinguish the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah refuses except to perfect His light, although the disbelievers dislike it." (Quran 9:32)

ثُمَّ جَعَلْنَاكَ عَلَىٰ شَرِيعَةٍ مِّنَ الْأَمْرِ فَاتَّبِعْهَا وَلَا تَتَّبِعْ أَهْوَاءَ الَّذِينَ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ

Allah says: "Then We placed you on an ordained way (shari'ah) concerning the matter [of religion]; so follow it and do not follow the inclinations of those who do not know." [Quran 45:18]

Imam Abdul Malik al-Juwayni (d. 478 H.) said: "Ijma' is the strap and support of the Shari'ah."

Imam al-Sarakhsi (d. 490 H) said: "One who denies the validity of ijma' seeks to indirectly demolish the religion itself."

Imam Ibrahim ibn Maysarah (d. 132H) said, "Whoever honours an innovator has aided in the destruction of Islam."

Imam al-Fudayl ibn 'Iyad (d. 187H) said, "I met the best of people, all of them people of the sunnah and they used to forbid accompanying the people of innovation."

Imam al-Hasan al-Basri (d. 110H) said, "Do not sit with the people of innovation and desires, nor argue with them, nor listen to them."

The Prophet Muhammad (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) said: "Whoever innovates or accommodates an innovator then upon him is the curse of Allah, His Angels and the whole of mankind." (Bukhari (12/41) and Muslim (9/140)).

According to Time Magazine, Tariq Ramadan is one of the biggest innovators of the 21st Century. We have reason to concur.


[1] - Ramadan, T., (2010) What I believe. Oxford University Press, p. 108
[2] - Unacceptable Allegation By Dr. Taha Jaber Al-`Alwani April 19, 2005 (IslamOnline.net)
[3] - This year, the Islam Online website took a more conservative turn. Its Qatar-based management dismissed most of its Egyptian employees, who had gone on strike. (Financial Times, December 1 2010)
[4] - A. Albert Kudsi-Zadeh, Afghani and Freemasonry in Egypt, Journal of the American Oriental Society, vol.92, no.1, 1972; and Karim Wissa, Freemasonry in Egypt 1798-1921, The British Society for Middle Eastern Studies Bulletin, vol.16, no.2, 1989.

64 comments:

  1. Adbullah ameenFeb 19, 2011 06:04 AM
    OMG! Fabricated hadith, ficticious qualifications, undermining of ulama AND promoting deviant masonic mutazilItes...I think you guys at Ummahpulse are being quite restrained with these shysters.
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  2. Wow this is a shocking revalation. Thank you Hussain el-Qadi, indept and clinical as usual. Please please circulate this article among the ISB crowd. They are his biggest fans. People need to know the truth.
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  3. From today onwards, I want to read every single one of your articles. The above was simply amazing. May Allah reward you.

    TR should be called out for what he is: a deviant wanting to deviate others from Islam.
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  4. Re: “………….which a lecturer tells the you, the audience, 43 times that what he is saying to you about your religion is "quite important" or "very important", then it is highly likely that you would go away with the impression that this person is indeed "important" to your faith.”
    I do know about you mate but I would think that the individual has gone “dulally”. 43 times! That would tell me that he does not know his subject.
    I am sorry or rather pleased to inform you that Muslims do not buy the “European Muslim” rubbish. We are MUSLIMS full stop.
    Just so you understand: I switched off/changed the channel when I saw Tariq Ramadan and a thought came to mind “the fruit of a tree falls away from the tree and rots”
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  5. Tariq Ramadan is a very dangerous man
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  6. Very interesting post and backed up with some clear evidence. I don't think most traditionalists or conservative Muslims give an ear to TR. However I fear the undecided and new-Muslims may lean towards his discussions on 'European Islam'. It is all written and dictated to appease western values and avoid criticism of Muslims.

    The last part of the article about Egypt seems more like a conspiracy theory from the writer. I hope the martyrs have not died in vain. I wonder if Ikhwan al-Muslimun will push for more influence, if Al-Azhar would be independent and if Israel benefits from this change. Either way, the revolution at least ousted a vile man and regime and we should not give the credit away to some conspiracy theory that has no basis.
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  7. @Julian I know Husain al-Qadi I don't think is in the business of making baseless claims. As you said he backed up his claims about TR with "some clear evidence". If he says there is a conspiracy in whats happening in Egypt then I would believe him. Maybe he didn't have the space or time to give the evidence here but i'm sure he would not say such a thing without good reason.
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  8. So Ummahpulse continues on in its self-proclaimed role as Defender of traditional Islamic orthodoxy then. With all this talk of sirens, lighthouses and shipwrecks, Ummahpulse obviously sees itself as some sort of salvific Noah's Ark protecting the masses from an encroaching sea of modernist fitna. Well done. The real question is this:

    "What on earth gives you the divine right to sit upon some Throne of Judgment and slap down your fellow Muslim brothers and sisters at will? Just who, exactly, do you think you are?"

    And please save me the bunkum of "publicly pointing out the errors of those who take others astray is an obligation"...etc, etc. You don't have the right or the qualifications to do that. It seems to me that you've just got too big for your boots.
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  9. Conspicuous lack of mention of the "goatee-sporting white great fake shaikh" - aka Hamza Yusuf Hanson here. I can only assume he is next in UmmahPulse's crosshairs after their ummah-bopping exercises on Sarah Joseph and now Tariq Ramadan. Who next?? Imam Al-Ghazzali?? An-Nawawi?? How about Imam Malik or Abu-Haneefah?? After all, its the UmmahPulse way or the highway here isn't it...
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  10. Lol - I quote from Husain Al-Qadi's comment on Karima Hamdan's Emel-Land article:

    "please rest assured that no one is above reproach at UmmahPulse and their time will come in due course."
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  11. Thanks for having the courage to highlight these issues: Although they seem to come from opposite ends of the spectrum, both proponents of the Sufi tradition (Hamza Yusuf Hanson) and Salafi tradition (Tariq Ramadan)are being carefully groomed as new leaders in order to mislead Muslims and sell out Islam as I demonstrate in my book "Surrendering Islam - The subversion of Islamic throughout history until the present day" ( http://www.surrenderingislam.com/ ). I am heartened that there are finally some who look at the events affecting Muslims and Muslim countries today with an analytical mind instead of the usual purely emotional response. Maybe some day soon we can develop a counter-strategy.
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  12. Samira KhalidiFeb 20, 2011 03:57 AM
    This article has totally shocked me. I use to be in such awe of these two people. I wanted to attend that conference but didn't buy a ticket in time. Now I'm glad I didn't.
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  13. Abdullah HendricksFeb 20, 2011 04:06 AM
    There is another one in cambridge. He too is a modernist preteding to be a tranditionalist. He is running some kind of course for ulama in his college. Ummah Pulse should do a number on him as well.
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  14. @Frankenstein you asked what on earth gives the writer the right to pass judgement. Well its simple. It's called evidence. The overwhelming evidence provided in the article. I see you have not engaged with any of the arguments. I wonder if you have said the same to Tariq Ramadan when he slaps down, ulama, salafis, traditionlists in his books??? Its all fine when you modernist slap everyone else calling they ignorant and backward but as soon as someone responds you take cover with talk about adab and respect. Where is the respect when you lot go about bashing the ulama, and cussing people who practice sunnah? I think its a bit rickh now to pretend that you are people of adab and respect. The truth is that your shaysters have be caught red-handed trying to peddle nonsensical ideas and that is what is really bugging you. You didn't expect to be caught.
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  15. Keep up the good work, it's about time people came out with this. This article should be reproduced on every forum on the net.
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  16. Professor Who?Feb 20, 2011 12:59 PM
    Brother Anees got there before me. What gives these modernists the right to attack the scholars and the fundamentals of Islam? They talk about adab when attacked. What about adab towards Allah's deen? They attack shariah and the sound principles of Islam. Is that adab? It's a disgusting abuse of Allah's revealed wisdom and the sacrifices of Rasoolullah (SAW) and the sahabah and the pious predecessors in preserving and propagating this deen for us.

    How about Tariq Ramadan and all the rest show some adab towards the Quran, the Sunnah and Shariah?
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  17. @Frankestien:

    You state:

    "What on earth gives you the divine right to sit upon some Throne of Judgment and slap down your fellow Muslim brothers and sisters at will? Just who, exactly, do you think you are?"

    and then you state:

    "You don't have the right or the qualifications to do that."

    Falling foul of your own complaint perhaps?
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  18. If Hamza Yusuf is fabricating hadith is that not a major sin? In the conference he was also supporting what Amina Wadud did in New York, talking about how it is allowed for a woman to lead prayers and how there many multiple opinions. What should we make of this?
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  19. Salam,

    I mentioned on the last article about this unfair attack on Dr Ramadan. I am also surprised that UmmahPulse is fast degenirating in to the 'Rand strategy'. Just a few points from me on this matter:

    1. I have yet to come accross a Muslim who thinks another Muslim is infallible - this is perhaps the highest form of a strawman argument used by the author.

    2. Yes, Dr Ramadan has made comments that were rightly criticised, like the morotarium. That doesn't make him a deviant. Using the author's own argument - and if he was sincere - he would see that many of the giant scholars of the past made comments or held opinions that were rightly criticised, yet we don't call them deviants do we.

    3. It is standard parctice to try and contact the person we are going to write about and offer them an opportunity to explain themselves - even some of the hate filled media 'try' to do this themselves. The author fails to keep this basic adab. Have you asked Dr Ramadan about the fatwa?

    4. For a nuetral person to judge a critique they would need to know who the author is and what is their background and politics etc. Ummahpulse is very secretive - why is that?

    To hide behind a mask ad attack others is not in our tradition. If you are convinced of your truth then come out publicly so that people may see who the messenger is and if he/she is objective or settling some old scores.

    Ws
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  20. @Eman,

    I do find Imam Hamza's position strange. Imam Zaid Shakir refutes the position of the woman leading salah:

    http://www.newislamicdirections.com/nid/articles/female_prayer_leadership_revisited/

    What further perplexes me about Imam Hamza (aside from the Hadith issue) is his mentioning of Ed Husain in his bio on his blog:

    "He has drawn criticism from both the extreme right in the West and Muslim extremists in the East. Ed Hussain has written that Hamza Yusuf's teachings were instrumental to his abandoning extremism. "

    http://www.sandalaproductions.com/AboutHamzaYusuf.aspx

    Why on earth would you mention this individual other then perhaps to debase yourself? Or perhaps the Shaykh is unaware?

    Allahu 'Alam
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  21. Interesting...

    After much effort, I have been unable to find any narration as well that mentions 'reforming the shari'ah.' The narration that HY quotes actually should read:

    الذين يصلحون ما أفسد الناس من بعدي من سنتي

    "Those who rectify what the people corrupted after me of my sunnah." Tirmidhi.

    Also, in another narration it mentions them as being:

    الذين يصلحون إذا فسد الناس

    "They are those who reform/rectify after the PEOPLE became corrupt." Silsilah ahadeeth as-Saheehah 1273.
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  22. @ Annonymous 21 February, 2011 15:28 I think if you study the Rand strategy you will find that it is the likes of Tariq Ramadan who they are seeking to promote. As for your 4 points, I am sure Ummahpulse and others will wnat to respond but here is my response:

    1. No one has claimed that a Muslim should be infallible. You argument is a stawman argument because according to your logic, the large number of scholars who wrote many books warning people about the mutazalites were all wrong - because every Muslim is fallible. This is patently absurd.

    2.There is a consensus of Ahl Sunnah wa Jamaah regarding the deviance of mutazalites. If people are trying to promote Mutazli ideas among Muslims and issues maratorium and fatwas against the explicit rulings of the Quran then there is a duty to warn people about it. I think Ummah Pulse has done us all a great favour.

    3. It is standard practise in Islam to consult a Mufti for fatwa. Tariq Ramadan is not a Mufti. He ignores all conventions of seeking and issuing fatwa then issues rulings himself against explicit words of the Quran, and now you want Muslims to observe conventions and practises of newspapers with him. Are you kidding us or what? I am sure if TR wants to submit an explanation on this forum UmmahPulse will be happy to publish it.

    4. You are criticising UmmahPulse for using pseudonyms while failing to apply the same rule to yourself. Who are you? Why have you posted you comments on this forum as anonymous?
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  23. @Anees

    I know the Rand strategy well...the bottom line is to cause this disunity on matters of fiqh and exacerbate divisions on ordinary matters of disagreements. As for Dr Ramadan - he does no such thing - if you actually listened and been to his talks and read his work you will see that he pushes for Muslim unity.

    In terms of my 4 points I hope UP do respond, but a quick response to yours:

    1. If you read the article, the author assumes that those who 'like' Dr Ramadan view him as infallible - that's the point. Hardly strawman on my part!

    2. So you think Dr Ramadan is a Mutazilite? By all means shoot down his arguments - but why get into takfir?

    3. Yes, it is standard practice - so are you saying the same about the thousands of imams who issue fatwa on a daily basis in the masaajids of the UK and the world - whose only title is Imam or Shaikh? Like I said its one thing to disagree with him (like I do on this matter) but it is another thing to call him a deviant!

    And why should Dr Ramadan contact UP - the adab is for the writer to get his side of the story - otherwise it is akin to backbiting etc...

    Brother - it seems to me you're saying that because Dr Ramadan does things wrong or makes mistakes we should too? That is completely against our sunnah and teachings - we as Muslims should always strive to maintain high moral character.

    4. I am not going round critiquing people - so no need to know who I am.
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  24. just a fly by comment - the energy that was invested into writing this article should or may have been directed at correcting arguments that are against Islam, Muslims and our Communities in a difficult time. For all his faults (Mr Ramadan) we should need not attack him with such voracity. I ask you that you revisit (just for your own personal research as opposed to for publication) many of the Fatwas and Guidance issued by Ulumaa over the years including Al Azhar in Egypt (which most recognise as being the most corrupt Islamic institution pandering to the Mubarak regime). Your article is good and thought provoking but I do not beleive that Ramadan is the greatest issue we need to be worried about. He is a Muslim brother and is pious. If you are worried about this modern and out of the box interpretations of certain points, go to one of his lectures and raise the points. Send him a letter... all the best and Allah knows best.
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  25. @Anonymous 21 February, 2011 22:11. I quite sure you do not know anything about the Rand strategy. Study it and you will see that Mr Ramadan's version of Islam is the only kind they approve.

    1. No one ever said that TR is seen as infallible but there are some people who present him as a super intellect (for example, he has just been named the 49th among the 100 top intellectuals of the world).

    2.Yes I agree he is a mutazali but no one pronounced takfir. Where did you get that from? Mutazalis are deviant which means "departed from the norm". Where exactly did you see takfir pronounced in the article? I couldn't see it anywhere? Please provide the quote.

    3. Your understanding on this is completely wrong. Those imams who are not muftis do not issue fatwa of their own. They inform people of the fatawa issued by muftis. BTW why is it no one seems to have ever seen TR praying in a mosque in Oxford or London. Can you confirm you have seen him praying?

    4. You said "I am not going round critiquing people" So what do you call this that you are doing on this forum?
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  26. As per RAND document on 'moderate' Islamic networks, TR is an iconic example of this. He does have a following of university educated white collar types who are attracted to TR's engagement with western philosophical 'contexts'. Lets not forget that TR's highest qualificatin is his research expertise in that prophet of doubt: Nietsche! It is from this polluted fountain that he produces his 'wisdom' or for us Muslims misguidance.
    Those who hero-worship TR, and his lineage in Western Philosophical traditions (Nietsche is often cited as the source of post-modernist thought), then that is their loss (tragedy).
    We as Muslims worship the One creator of all the worlds and we have the best of examples the beloved Prophet (May peace and blessings be upon him).
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  27. Wait a minute, are you ppl gone bunkers. Sheikh Hamza Yusuf is a highly trained scholar. He'd know if a hadeeth is fabricated. He wouldn't use it if it was not genuine. So check your facts before you make accusations!
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  28. @Anees

    Listen I think we're gonna go in circles. All I am saying is that we can disagree with someone, correct them with the adab of Islam without resorting to name calling. This is my point - that way we can maintain our duty of brotherhood.

    And shame on you brother for now alluding to his practice of Salah...the answer is yes I have seen him pray in many mosques and lead salah too...may Allah protect us from the evil whisperings of shaytan.
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  29. Counter-ReformationistFeb 22, 2011 06:59 AM
    @Anonymous 22 February, 2011 11:14 (Mr Fly by Comment) Nice try to deflect criticism away from TR by arguing that although he is problematic he is not such a big issue. If you read the article you will see that the writer had made direct link between the popularity of TR among Muslims with aspiration of Western policy makers to create an Islamic reformation in the Arab world. BTW none of the scholars of Al=Azhar have ever called for the removing the authority of the Ulama. None of the Azhar scholars have ever called for moratorium of hudud. Tariq Ramadan is is a unique fitnah that needed to be dealt with for a long time. He deserves every bit of the attention he has gotten fromn the writer of this article. To tell the truth I would like to see a series of articles on this. The bottom line is that Tariq Ramadan is dangerous double-speaking trickster. I have read his books and also attended his lectures. I have recordings of his telling people not to follow the ulama. So please do not try to pull the wool over people's eye here with talk about "energies better spent elsewhere"!!
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  30. @Anonymous 22 February, 2011 14:39 I see you are dodging my questions but still think you can defend Tariq Ramandan with talk about adab. Where was Mr Ramadan's adab with Islam when he called for a moratorium on hudud? were was his adab with Allah when he issued fatwa against the Quran? Where was his adab with fellow Muslims when he criticise ulama and seek to remove their authority?

    And please don't give us lectures on whisperings of shaytan because your claim to have seen him lead prayers in Oxford or London is not corroborated. Could you please tell us which mosque you saw him prayed in? I have been asking people for years about where he prays Jumah and no one has seen pray jumah in any musallah or mosque in both of the cities (Oxford and London) where he is supposed to be living for the past five years. If you are so keen to defend him I will expect to provide us with the location of the mosque where he mostly prayed Jumah for the last five years. This is a legitimate question since he told a reporter (as in the article) that he was left by his parents to decide if to pray or not to pray. We want to know when and where he decided to pray?
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  31. @Nazim If you think the author is mistaken about the hadith then please contact your Shaikh Hamza Yusuf and ask him to provide the reference for the hadith.
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  32. @Anonymous (defender of TR).

    Listen, it is all very clear that you are attempting to make a legitimate space of TR's deviancy on the premise of difference of opinion. Let me spell this out to you Islam is not reconcilable to postmodernism: THERE IS NO LEGITIMATE SPACE FOR ALL VOICES. Islam has boundaries between truth and falsehood, we believe in BINARIES, and hence get this straight: the article above rejects TR and his opinion's as being outside what is deemed in Islam as legitimate. There is no room for TR, Hargey, Wudud, Usama Hasan or any of their 'discourses'.
    Text in Islam are not open to any idiot to approach and arrive at their subjective opinion! Understanding is derived through the Sunnah of the Prophet (SAW) and indeed that is why the Creator did not send us a Book alone but a Messenger to explain it to us.

    I urge you to go and internalise this and maybe refer to your postmodern texts before you keep repeating your comments in different posts on this site.
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  33. Kamal NuruddeenFeb 23, 2011 12:40 AM
    Assalaam alaikum,

    The past few JPs have focussed on critiques of Tariq Ramadan and others who have been arguing for the reformation of Islam.

    UmmahPulse has made clear and coherent arguments supported by evidence that these reformers are, in fact, undermining the foundations of Islam and the agreed fundamentals of our faith.

    There have been many comments in response but, disappointingly, none have engaged with the actual arguments that we have presented. Instead, criticism has centred on attacking UmmahPulse for the way it has spoken out against certain individuals, citing a lack of adab in our approach.

    The position of UmmahPulse is clear and in line with the position taken by scholars from the time of the sahabah until now: when people attack the foundations of Islam it is incumbent upon Muslims to respond in full and IN PUBLIC to counter the spread of confusion and doubt amongst the ummah. The adab of nasiha in this context requires public criticism and the warning of those who may fall prey to the ensuing fitnah.

    We at UmmahPulse invite the supporters of reformation to present their case rather than giving tangential arguments about how fearless intellectuals like Tariq Ramadan should not face public criticism.

    So please, brothers and sisters, if there are any counter-arguments to the specific and very serious points we are raising we would like to hear them.

    Kamal Nuruddeen,
    Editor,
    UmmahPulse
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  34. The 'anonymous' defenders of TR are clearly guilty of commiting ignoratio elenchi. This just reveals the shallowness of their position.
    Like Abduh, the contemporary 'have-a-go' reformists are embedded in a narrative of a Euro-specific modernity. The irony of these post-modernist pretenders position is that they attempt to deconstruct Islam and not realise that they are simply reflecting the metanarrative of European political history and projecting it as necessarily a universalised one! lol!!!!
    Come on try to reconcile this in your minds, if you can even manage to understand the point being made. I invite you to go and ask your grand 'sheikh', TR, what to do with this critique.
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  35. @Kamal Nurrudeen,

    Spot on.

    JazakAllah khayr.
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  36. Salam Kamal Nuruddeen

    You say "Instead, criticism has centred on attacking UmmahPulse for the way it has spoken out against certain individuals, citing a lack of adab in our approach."

    That's because most people do not disagree that Dr Ramadan is mistaken or erred. But they take exception to your lack of ettiquette in this matter.

    You then say "The position of UmmahPulse is clear and in line with the position taken by scholars from the time of the sahabah until now: when people attack the foundations of Islam it is incumbent upon Muslims to respond in full and IN PUBLIC to counter the spread of confusion and doubt amongst the ummah."

    Those scholars that did that are known - they did not hide behind any masks - so reveal yourselves if you are truthful to your own words.

    Further, those scholars who did refute opinions that they found wrong did so with the adab of Islam, they spoke or wrote to those individuals concerned - where is this on your part?

    Finally - I posted a reply to Anees I see it has not been posted - is there a reason?
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  37. Kamal NuruddeenFeb 25, 2011 12:45 AM
    It seems that we are continuing to receive comments similar to the above trying to deflect focus and pressure from the problems with Tariq Ramadan in a clumsy attempt to defend him. Are we to draw the conclusion that defending him from the serious allegations being made is too onerous a task?

    UmmahPulse will not take lessons on avoiding anonymity from people who insist on being anonymous themselves (incidentally, there is a well established tradition of using pseudonyms amongst the scholars and it is a result of this that there is speculation on the authorship of many manuscripts). Nor can criticisms of lack of adab be credible coming from those defending figures who show lack of adab towards the Quran, the Sunnah and the efforts of the great scholars of the past.

    Unless such people have something new and relevant to the content of the article to discuss, they should please desist from clogging up the forum with redundant questions.

    Kamal Nuruddeen,
    Editor,
    UmmahPulse
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  38. "Islam is not reconcilable to postmodernism: THERE IS NO LEGITIMATE SPACE FOR ALL VOICES"

    Therein would seem to be the nub of the problem. Can Islam "reform" and still remain true to the Quran and the Sunnah ? For many it's such a difficult question. Given the charged centrality of the issue it is very understandable why it can lead to intense debate and strong emotion. Much is indeed at stake for all concerned.
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  39. I was quite horrified to read this (and the Sarah Joseph piece)

    I wonder if ANY attempt was made to contact either of these incredible leaders and put forward your theories/attacks and allow them to respond??

    Really troubled by the effort people go to discredit people who are working a million times harder than they are for the deen.
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  40. It's shame really. What started off has an interesting critique backed up by evidences, quickly descended into a vague conspiracy theory:

    "The so-called revolution in Egypt was nothing more than a well-managed role rotation to facilitate the entry of the "right kind of people" who will implement large scale "social reform" (which is diplomatic speak for reforming Islamic practices). Such a project requires people with a genuine mandate, something that Mubarak did not possess, so he had to go."

    Bit of a tenous leap there, no? Evidence?
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  41. Salaam aleykum,

    Masha Allah wonderful piece of art, very well articulated !
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  42. @Abu-Suleyman

    Why call it "art" an explanation from you is due.

    @Anonymous 28 February, 2011 11:27

    Underestimated, you have, as time will tell, this author.

    @Zubier

    Horrified you will be if TR's version of Islam,to your children is taught. Unbelieving husbands, your daughters may have and rebellious sons, against Quran you may see. Save us, may God the Merciful.

    @Anonymous 27 February, 2011 19:14

    Twisted you have a fact into "your problem nub". Reform yourself can you the question should be? Then we shall see, no longer, down talking from thee!
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  43. "Professor" Johnny BFeb 28, 2011 03:11 PM
    Subhanallah! Finally there are people out there willing to call a spade a spade. Well done Ummah Pulse. Don't let them bully you into silence like they bully everyone else with pressure to cowtow to the intellectuals like "Professor" Tariq Ramadhan. Just look at the comments here. I don't see any rational argument from these people only petulant remarks of children who have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Where is their intellect now? Where is the professor?

    You can fool some of the people some of the time, etc, etc.
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  44. because it is well intellectualy posed to our conscience to think about...

    are you playing the inquisition here ?

    My salaam to Hussein Al Qadi
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  45. @Abu-Suleyman
    No my dear, it is not I who seek institutional inquiry but those who through institutions demand grand pronouncements against orthodoxy.
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  46. Great Keep up the Work
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  47. After reading this article and the comments, I have concluded that UmmahPulse's biggest contribution is to:

    WASTE THE TIME OF THE UMMAH !!!

    People, go and do something better than engaging in claptrap on forums such as these.
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  48. I agree there is a hint of arrogance in the way UP sees itself as some sort of divine authority to annonymously pronounce judgements on who are the good, bad and ugly Muslims...
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  49. Shadhili DerwishMar 2, 2011 08:53 PM
    @Anonymous (02 March, 2011 - 22:56/22:58).

    Does the truth hurt? Does it hurt to see Muslims taking a proactive approach and critiquing those who are being thrust down our throats as legitimate speakers on Islamic and Muslim issues?

    If you insist on disagreeing, then provide some thought-stimulating discourse to reject what has been mentioned above. Otherwise, stop wasting your time with half-baked comments and stop passing judgment against us.
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  50. @ Anon 02 March, 2011 22:56 & 02 March, 2011 22:58

    Strange, how you consider LEGITIMATE criticism and censure of statements tantamount to deviancy, a "waste of time" and attacking, without substance, those who air and highlight these threats to Islam BUT you seem to see no time being wasted in critiquing and "reforming" the Shari'ah in an unorthodox, unclassical and agenda serving way.

    To legitimately critique a human is a waste of time and "arrogance", to critique and "reform" the Shariah - something divinely ordained - is not a problem and is seen in fact as "intellectual".

    ok...
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  51. This is pathetic. I see no credible evidence, no lucid argument, no rationality in the comments being made against the points being made in the article.

    Everyday I come back thinking yep, surely there must be some honest engagement by now, some thought-provoking points I could go back on - instead I see posters behaving like little kids who cannot seem to answer the question but engage in a rant about how unfair it is that they have had their lollipop taken off them.

    To those who make points of "anonymity" - it is also adab of argumentation to at least address the points raised -especially if you feel they affect you or you can respond. I.e. stick to the points being raised. If an attack on Islam is being made in explicit terms, like some neocon blogs are doing (they use pen-names) will you focus on combating the points being made or dwell on the question "who wrote them"? The fact is that they stir hatred and emotion and their numbers are increasing - and that is sufficient to provide a proactive response.

    The discourse in the cyber arena is dynamic - engagements are behind computer screens and it is the points that count. Answer the points instead of hiding behind cry-baby comments.
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  52. One thing I'll say to the children crying foul because poor Professor Ramadan has been rumbled:

    Dude, you have no arguments!
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  53. @Abu-Suleyman Could you explain your concept of inquisition? Is that the Hermeneutics of salvaging the debris of faith from the wreckage of over-zealous modernisers with fractured minds? BTW pomo art suits fractured minds. Maybe, instead of trying to contemplate the "power world of Islam", you would find more comfort in pondering the vulgarity of Pablo's most expensive!
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  54. Eman said: "If Hamza Yusuf is fabricating hadith is that not a major sin? In the conference he was also supporting what Amina Wadud did in New York, talking about how it is allowed for a woman to lead prayers and how there many multiple opinions. What should we make of this?"

    When Hamza Yusuf said this, he was actually referencing Ibn Taymiya. If you have a problem with this opinion, you'll have to pit your brains against Ibn Taymiya's vast knowledge of fiqh.

    If you watched the video, you would know this; otherwise why would you wish to misrepresent Hamza Yusuf like this?
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  55. @Eman I think it is time people start taking Hamza Yusuf's so-called "refences" with a pinch of salt.

    He did not only quote a fabricated Hadith there are lots of other problems with his contribution. So please do not threaten us with names like Ibn Taymiyyah. Ibn Taymiyyah never said that women can lead prayers. Hamza Yusuf has misquoted him as well.

    If you are going to demand that people "pit brains" against scholars you should also ask Hamza Yusuf to provide the reference for his fabricated hadith and his misquoting of Ibn Taymiyyah.
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  56. Traps, confusion and disseminating falsehood; the subservient minds of modernists and the tragedy of the post-modernist detractors.

    Before attempting to either subordinate Islam to your modernist 'certainties' or in your mind to deconstruct it to post-modern universalised 'uncertainty'; you should at least contemplate the tragedy that you invite upon yourself in the Aakhira.

    I can only thank Allah (SWT) for protecting me from this confusion and tragedy and pray to Him to lead me along the straight path.

    The discussion above is massively asymetric because it is a conversation between those who are embedded in scholarship v's those who are immersed in confusion. Thus it is repeatedly observed that the best defence of TR and HY is based on an emotional appeal to be deferent to them! Quite a contradiction don't you think?
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  57. I congratulate UP on this post. MashaAllah. We need more informative articles like this to distinguish between those that can be followed and those to ignore. It is very unfortunate to see new converts and even Muslims rediscovering Islam fall prey to his sweet talk and delusion. Jazakum Allahu khairan.
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  58. "According to Time Magazine, Tariq Ramadan is one of the biggest innovators of the 21st Century. We have reason to concur."

    looooooool
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  59. This is sufficient evidence against Tariq Ramadan and his revolutionary "mind". The article should be archived before it is removed. Jazaka Allahu Khair.
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  60. Sheikh Yusuf Qaradawi supports the hudud moratoriam:
    http://www.ummahpulse.com/2011/02/tariq-ramadan-and-oxford-haskalah.html
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  61. This is a lowly article - agree with Frank. Please do something useful for the Ummah rather than spreading hate and split.

    Piece of shizzle article really, someone just trying to show off that they can analyse and write about (maybe backbite) about people. Bravo.

    Piece of advice 'bro', use your skill in a better way to bring parties together, or at least be more clever about the way you do it.
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  62. when is ummahpulse going to do a number on the 'shaykh hamza yusuf'??
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  63. To 14 April, 2011 00:40 and others who hide behind the smokescreen "stop spreading hate" and "its backbiting":

    1. Answer the points. If you can refute the points made in this "lowly article" then do so. If not then please dont litter this excellent blog with your lack of knowledge of the practices sanctioned by Ulama of the past.

    2. Imam Ghazali in his Ihya lists exceptions to the impermissibility og ghiba, (courtesy, http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?ID=212), notably:

    a) Seeking help to change an evil, or to reform the wrongdoer. If the intention in telling the ghibah is not to change the wrong, then it is forbidden to relate it.

    b) Warning, such as warning a prospective buyer that the merchant is a swindler, or warning a student that his prospective teacher is an innovator or a deviant. Also, revealing the faults of weak narrators and forgers of hadith...

    c) Someone who sins openly, and has no qualms about his sins being mentioned.
    However, it is not permissible to mention any of his secret sins.

    Further, Imam Shatibi quoting Imam Malik bin Anas, states,

    "One must not remain silent if his purpose is to refute falsehood and guide people away from it, or if one fears the spread of misguidance or some similar danger" (Ash-Shatibi, al-Muwafaqat, 2:332)

    With this established, hopefully we will see some more fruitful comments or more likely we wont see any defending TR and his ilk.
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  64. Mr. Husain Al-Qadi. Look at the situation is Islamic countries. All under the influence of the West. Corruption, theft, lying, murdur, misery and ignorance etc, rules. No two muslims can agree on what is Islam. But really, what is Islam? Only you understand Islam well and whoever deviates a little bit from your understanding is betraying Islam? shall we worship our Ulama as Jews and Christians worshipped their monks and Rabiis as well? Shall we say:'This is the truth since it has ome to us from our fathers?' Is this all your argument against Ramadan that 'he criticizes the Ulama"?

    WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO HEAL THE PAIN OF THE UMMA AND TO CORRECT THE CORRUPTIONS ENTERED IN ISLAM EXCEPT THAT THINKING "EVERY VOICE IS AGAINST US?" You and your like are good for nothings
    who know nothing else except insulting, takfiring, and blowing on your
    own show laces as you walk, af if you were God's children, subhanallah.
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