Monday, February 7, 2011

The PM's Speech

Written by Karima Hamdan

While alcohol-slurred chants of "E – E – EDL" and anti-Muslim hate speech too foul to reprint here could be heard up and down Luton's town centre streets, another more urbane voice added its plum tones to the cacophony. This weekend British Prime Minister David Cameron gave a landmark speech setting out his vision for British Muslims.
The speech is remarkable for its clarity. Gone are the days when politicians felt that they had to take into consideration the feelings of Muslims. After dispensing the usual disclaimers and caveats that Islam wasn't equivalent to terrorism, Cameron clearly laid out exactly where he felt the problems of British Muslims lie: Islamist extremism.

For those puzzled by what exactly "Islamist Extremism" means, they will be disappointed to learn that being a law-abiding citizen who pays his taxes and minds his own business will not cut it anymore to extricate yourself from this label. The PM has made clear that there is a charter of acceptable thoughts and opinions that British Muslims will have to sign up to in order not to be classified as "Islamist Extremists".

To this end he has said that the state must confront, and not consort with, the non-violent Muslim groups that are ambiguous about British values such as equality of the sexes, democracy and integration. Cameron went on to declare that multiculturalism had failed and accused it of eroding the British national identity and promoting insular communities that fostered terrorism. The pill for this particular ill would be a robust promotion of liberal-democratic values – freedom of speech, democracy, the rule of law, equal rights regardless of race, sex or sexuality – and a greater emphasis on shared British cultural attributes, with anyone unwilling to take this course of medication coming up against what Cameron calls "active, muscular liberalism".

On the surface, this seems entirely appropriate. Indeed, how could any law-abiding citizen take issue with the PM promoting democracy and the rule of law? However, there is a layer of ambiguity in the speech that provides cause for concern. By shifting the focus from those groups whose ideologies explicitly advocate violence to the beliefs of those whom the government's paid Muslim pundits argue will inevitably and inexorably turn to violence, the government has made belief in Islamic orthodoxy a punishable sin to be rooted out.  Does the government mean to say that it will not engage with any Muslim group or mosque that believes, for example, that homosexuality is a sin? Does it mean that any Muslim school that teaches the differing shares of inheritance to which Muslim men and women are Quranically entitled will be denied government funding? Does it mean that parents who do not wish their child to participate in mixed-sex physical education lessons, music lessons or sexual education lessons are closet terrorists at worst and an enemy of British society and values at best?

If we enquire as to the origin of this thinking, we quickly realise that this is not the impartial stance of a politician willing the best for his people but rather a pre-planned agenda of those with an axe to grind about Islam. Peter Oborne, chief political commentator for the Daily Telegraph and one of a minority of journalists in this country that have the moral courage to speak up against the widespread Islamophobia present in the media, provided a telling insight into the background behind the PM's speech. Writing in The Spectator magazine last week, Oborne mentioned that the Tories were divided into two factions over how to "deal" with British Muslims:

"There are two factions, and the strongest can loosely be described as neoconservative. This faction remains an unconditional supporter of the United States of America, continues to defend the Iraq invasion, powerfully admires and in some cases worships Tony Blair, and automatically takes the side of Israel in the middle east.

"This section of the coalition also takes a hard line on domestic security arrangements, supporting control orders and the divisive Prevent strategy for confronting its special interpretation of the Islamic terror threat. Its key cabinet supporters include George Osborne, Liam Fox, Oliver Letwin, Michael Gove (whose book Celsius 7/7 sought to define the domestic war on terror with astonishing success) and, crucially, the home secretary, Theresa May. Baroness Neville-Jones, the one-time Whitehall spook who sits on the fancily named Security Council, is another well-placed though bone-headed supporter."


The other faction is much less powerful with its two main players being Tory party Chairman, Baroness Warsi, and Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg who, having quaffed the poisoned chalice of power, has fallen from his heady days when "everyone agreed with Nick" to become the Conservative Party's Lib-Dem fall-guy on everything from tuition fees to NHS reform.

The split has been largely hidden from public view but has come to light most notably when Sayeeda Warsi withdrew, late in the day and without warning, from a planned appearance at the Global Peace and Unity Conference in London last October and then from attending the Doha Debates to defend the right to wear the niqab a few weeks later. Oborne links her withdrawal from the GPU event to a Quilliam Foundation memo circulated at the Home Office that accused the GPU event of having been infiltrated by Islamists and therefore not appropriate for Warsi to attend. Oborne says of the Quilliam Foundation that it has played a vital role in framing the public debate on Islam and exerted a huge behind-the-scenes influence on policy.

This appears to be borne out when one compares the contents of the PM's speech with a Quilliam memo to various government departments, including the Home Office, which we reported on after it was leaked online last year. In it, Quilliam redefined the parameters of what type of Muslim constitutes a "threat" by broadening the definition of "Islamist" to include just about every non-Barelvi, non-Sufi Muslim group and mosque in the UK and further damned them with the following statement:

"The ideology of non-violent Islamists is broadly the same as that of violent Islamists; they disagree only on tactics."

The rest of the document could almost double as a check-list for the PM's speech. This includes: a change in the use of language, replacing the phrase "Al-Qa'ida inspired violence" with "Islamist inspired violence"; identifying universities and prisons as "hotbeds" of Islamist recruitment; and the blocking of public money and cutting of ties with any group that doesn't share the government’s manifesto of liberal values. There is a strange concordance even down to the analogies used. Where Quilliam asserts that "non-violent Islamists" are to "jihadist Islamists" as the BNP is to far right para-military group Combat 18; the PM speaks of engaging with non-violent Islamists as "turning to a right-wing fascist party to fight a violent white supremacist movement".

When one witnesses the hand of Quilliam moving behind the scenes to determine government policy on British Muslim society, it does not require a leap of faith to conclude that perhaps Quilliam's other recommendations could be adopted wholesale by the government. These include:

  • That no government department, from the Home Office to the Department of Justice and Scotland Yard to the Department for Education, should meet with any "Islamist" groups – even in secret – for fear of being manipulated or inadvertently influenced by them (!).
  • Endorsing previous government decisions to ban, from entry into the UK, international Muslim speakers and advising that future bans should include those who believe in "inflammatory" ideas such as the immorality of homosexuality.
  • Recommending that the Home Office screen all of its employees in case they support or have any sympathy for "Islamism".
  • The police should only have contact with “Islamist” organisations when gathering intelligence and should not otherwise cooperate with them. Under no circumstances should members of the public be directed to any of these organisations for advice or support.
  • Identifying universities as "hotbeds of Islamism” and advising that prayer rooms and Islamic societies be monitored; and disallowing any speakers with "Islamist" ideas, such as the immorality of homosexuality, to speak on campus.
  • The Department of Education was advised to give teachers more training so that they can spot students who express "Islamist" ideas and publicly challenge them without the fear of being labelled Islamophobes. There are also proposals to monitor Muslim schools (including even part-time, after-school, mosque-based teaching, i.e. the maktab system), Muslim teachers and Muslim governors for "Islamist" influences, and teaching Muslim students specifically about "liberal and secular" interpretations of Islam.
  • Quilliam delves into the world of Muslim prisoners, recommending that they should be monitored for non-violent "Islamist" leanings, and their probation terms linked to this. Needless to say, the authors also suggest that prison visitors and imams should be screened for "Islamist" ideology.

In summary, if the Quilliam foundation has been allowed the level of access and influence that commentators like Peter Oborne postulate, then it will make the Labour government's failed Prevent strategy seem like a Women's Institute position paper on jam-making.

Quilliam's claim to have specialist knowledge and understanding of "Islamism" is rooted in its founders' previous associations with Hizbut-Tahrir (despite allegations that Maajid Nawaz only had a brief and inconsequential acquaintance with a few HT supporters) and the claim has been repeatedly rejected by British Muslims. It has also been shown that Quilliam enjoys little or no support from the average UK Muslim. Despite this, Quilliam has been lavished with over £1 million in funding from the previous government and patronised with access to high ranking government ministers such as the former Secretary of State for Communities, Hazel Blears, and current Minister for Education, Michael Gove.

It appears that the current and previous governments are desperate to swallow the Quilliam mantra that Western policy in the Muslim world has nothing at all to do with increasing the likelihood of terror attacks in Britain and elsewhere. One can hardly blame these ministers for yearning towards Quilliam's version of reality, as it completely exonerates them from responsibility for the fallout of enacting disastrous policies in the Middle East and blindly following US hawks into illegal wars.

But it is a dangerous game. A government policy that specifically cuts ties with an entire community will effectively "kettle" British Muslims into a "pariah's corner", encouraging polarisation, and with no routes open for the government to engage with and influence them. The national interest will not be served by this stance. The only ones set to gain from it are former "Islamists" looking for a government salary and powerful lobbies for foreign powers (such as the "only democracy in the Middle East") keen to silence British Muslim voices speaking out in opposition to their brutality at home.

Needless to say, many of those marching with the EDL in Luton on Saturday were jubilant that David Cameron had "come around to their way of thinking". It simply beggars belief that on the day when that violently anti-Muslim group was holding its "homecoming march" in Luton, David Cameron could give a speech like this and thus hand the far right a propaganda victory, a point highlighted by Inayat Banglawala in an interview with the BBC.

Any policy which rejects dialogue with groups representing huge swathes of the Muslim community, hoping that those people will magically go away, is misguided and shortsighted.  The government should not rely on advice dispensed by paid stooges who are openly and heavily influenced by foreign lobbies and who do not reflect British realities. Quilliam's snake oil formula of propagating stereotypes and misconceptions demonstrates its intellectual laziness and should be rejected. One of the few positives to be taken from this mess is that Muslims will learn to become more resourceful and independent-minded once the security blanket of the government's shilling has been stripped away.

This leaves us with the stark reality that the battle within Britain's coalition government - about how to "deal" with Muslims - has been won by those who wish not to address the root causes of terrorism but rather to quietly terraform Islam. It is a shrewd tactical move to silence the voices of Islamic orthodoxy prior to launching a full-on campaign to reform Islam. Given the half-baked, laughable ideas of the reformists, muzzling their critics is the only way for any of their voices to reach the mainstream. How else could you characterise a "new interpretation" of Islamic inheritance that blatantly contradicts the clear instructions of the Quran?

When a serving Prime Minister chooses to align himself with the rhetoric of a violent street movement by delivering a speech in a country which went to war following the failure of "monoculturalism" in 1930s Europe, then one’s mind is inexorably drawn to those events less than a century ago. Given this sea change in domestic policy and the death of our pluralistic society, what should be the strategies of those organisations that were our representatives but which now have been muted? Who will fill this void of "acceptable" Muslim representation?

Cue the proponents of postmodernist Islam: Tariq Ramadan, Usama Hasan, Taj Hargey, Maajid Nawaz. Rejoice, for your time has come! It seems that instead of the normal democratic process, whereby would-be leaders have to demonstrate that they represent their community, the British Ummah has to decide whether we should jettison whole tracts of our religion in order to meekly fall behind these charlatans and shysters.

Prophet Muhammad (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) warned of time when knowledge would be lost through the death of scholars and "People would then appoint ignorant leaders for themselves who would be consulted in matters of religion and they would give fatawa (rulings) without knowledge, falling into misguidance and misguiding others." (Muslim)

"Whoever is guided is only guided for [the benefit of] his soul. And whoever goes into misguidance does so against his own soul. And no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another. And never would We punish until We have sent a messenger." (Allah Almighty in the Quran, 17:15)

32 comments:

  1. ukht Asma'Feb 8, 2011 06:43 AM
    Assalamu'alaykum,

    Some brilliant points made in your articles - jazakillahukhayran.

    I thought you might find this blog beneficial also:

    http://mahdinnm.blogspot.com/

    Barakallahu feekum,

    ukht Asma'
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  2. Assalaam alaykum,

    Jazakum Allah khayran for the article and the brilliant points made, especially regarding Tariq Ramadan and the other charlatans.

    On that note, I would highly recommend this review of Ramadan's book 'What I Believe': http://jurjis.wordpress.com/2010/09/28/book-review-what-i-believe/

    The other book reviews on that blog are also insightful, and with Allah alone is every success.

    Assalaam alaykum,
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  3. Fantastic article, I am particularly heartened that someone more intelligent then myself also thinks we Muslims should fund our own organisations instead of being reliant on the government; this is exactly what came to my mind when heard his speech.

    I'm sure it is going to be difficult, we're far from being the most affluent group but as long as we are prepared to work for it I am confident we will be even more effective.
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  4. Salaams,
    Good article - keep up the good work. Just want to clarify something. The link that is in this sentence:
    "How else could you characterise a "new interpretation" of Islamic inheritance that blatantly contradicts the clear instructions of the Quran?"
    ...goes to a BBC2 program called 'You can't take it with you' about inheritance featuring a Muslim couple. The problem is that it can't be watched again. Can someone please tell me who said what where and that the comment in the article was about. Jzk.
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  5. Salams,

    Some excellent points but I felt the ending did a disservice to it. Had you left the names to Taj Hargey and Majid Nawaz I think you would have been bang on. You most certainly will find that Prof Tariq Ramadhan's views are well grounded in the quran and sunnah and his work is of utmost importance if Muslims are to carve a European identity without compromising on our fundamentals.
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  6. Wasalam

    Great points raised and agree with almost all of it.
    But I felt disappointed that you equated Tariq Ramadan with the likes of Taj Hargey which I believe is grossly unfair. They barely have anything in common, at least Ramadan has made some important intellectual contributions within the tradition of Islamic Sciences. All Hargey has contributed is confusion and discord.

    Ws, MR
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  7. @Anonymous

    Assalaam alaykum,

    Tariq Ramadan's views are very far removed from the Qur'an and the Sunnah, as the man is a secularist at heart. Again, read this book review: http://jurjis.wordpress.com/2010/09/28/book-review-what-i-believe/

    As a proponent and advocate of secularism, it shouldn't come as a surprise that he insists that homosexuality be recognized as a valid expression of love among Muslims.

    The sooner common believers realise how dangerous this man's ideas are the better, and with Allah alone is every success.

    Assalaam alaykum,
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  8. How is Prof Tariq Ramadan a shyster or charlatan?
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  9. Mahdi Lock

    Please go and get a life - and more importantly a brain - from somewhere.

    I've just read that review you keep flagging up and it's one of the worst rambles of half-baked trite I've come across. Having read the book (which I doubt you have) I am qualified to comment (http://www.amazon.co.uk/What-I-Believe-Tariq-Ramadan/dp/0195387856/ref=cm_cr-mr-title). And he doesn't push homosexuality as a "valid expression of love amongst Muslims" (which you'd know if you'd actually read him) but he recognises the complexities and nuances of living in modern Western societies and the pressing need to cultivate a balanced attitude of the "middle way" which retains allegiance to the divine principles of our Faith whilst acknowledging the exigencies of our modern situation.

    So, in conclusion, I don't feel Tariq Ramadan should have been included on that list by Karima, and I'm surprised she never continued her crusade against Sarah Joseph by listing her there too as editor of that "post-modernist" rag she's been harping on about recently. But all in, a cracking read Karima (back to business as usual then) with some piercing insights highlighting the very real challenges mounting up day by day for Britain's Muslims. Welcome to planet earth and mujaahadaah everybody - after all this is what we were created for.
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  10. Husain Al-QadiFeb 9, 2011 01:22 AM
    It is unfortunate that the IPlayer programme is not longer available but Tariq Ramadan issued a fatwa in the programme which is in blatant contradiction to the words of the Quran and in that he has placed himself into the category of Taj Hargey el al. He told the couple (Khalid Anis and wife Sarah) in the programme that they can ignore the clear words of the Quran on inheritance which states the sons should get twice as much as daughters. He said if they the son does not agree to a condition of supporting the his sisters for the rest of their lives then the daughters should get shares equal to the sons. This is in complete violation of an explicit Quranic injunction!
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  11. I think attacking people like Tariq Ramadan or Sarah Joseph just simply plays in to the hands of the age old divide and rule mantra. I have personally spoken to Tariq Ramadan, and he is in no way a promoter of major sins, let alone a secularist.

    The article hits a few important points - we should try to focus on that rather than become lazy ourselves and conflate various issues.
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  12. "despite allegations that Maajid Nawaz only had a brief and inconsequential acquaintance with a few HT supporters"

    It's not Maajid whose dalliance was brief - it's the other Quilliam director - I've forgotten his name and don't want to remember it...
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  13. Well done, Karima. This is a brilliant and well thought out article. The Quilliam Foundation does not deserve any funding. I note "Quilliam's snake oil formula of propagating stereotypes and misconceptions demonstrates its intellectual laziness and should be rejected". I totally agree having read their reports and realising that I (a pensioner living in the north east of Scotland) is better informed than them. Their recent report was full of inaccuracy. I know this for a fact as many of the men mentioned in this report are my friends. I will circulate this widely. Thanks.
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  14. @typical Tariq Ramadan is a charlatan and shyter because he is a postmodernist mouthpiece for orientalists pretending to be an Islamic scholar and Mufti.
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  15. @anonymous 11:12

    It is not lazy to highlight individuals putting themselves forward as scholars, who are actually attempting to change our deen. It is lazy to ignore them.
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  16. I saw the programme and was shocked. I used to think Tariq Ramadan was a cautious scholar but when he told the sister that she can write her will to say that only if her two daughters agree for their brother to have double their share then he could have but if they disagree them they must all have equal shares in violation of clear words of the Quran. What was even more shocking was how they were all saying the Quran's verdict is unfair and how we must avoid unfairness. Sorry but for me this programme has turn me off TR big time.
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  17. I always suspected there was something fishy about Tariq Ramadan. Now he's actually come out against explicit verses of the Quran. Subhanallah. His views are certainly not grounded in the Quran and Sunnah. The exact opposite.

    I make dua that Allah protects our iman from the likes of Tariq Ramadan, who is far more dangerous than crackpots like Taj Hargey ever will be.
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  18. Great article. Agree that Tariq Ramadan should not be included in the list of "shysters". I've seen Tariq Ramadan talk, and he has sincerity and knowledge. For example, that quote about homosexuality and Islam. He does not condone it. He says it is a sin. He just says those people that practice it, we cannot say they are outside the fold of Islam - and he's right. Only an Islamic State can mete out edicts like that. As for the "WIll" thing. Again, always be careful about selective editing on TV. Trust me, i'm in the industry, you can make anyone say anything out of context. I give him the benefit of the doubt on that one.
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  19. Husain Al-QadiFeb 9, 2011 02:37 PM
    Tariq Ramandan has form in trying to undermine rulings of the Quran. Here is a moderate scholar's response to his call for a global moratorium on Hudud:

    Unacceptable Allegation
    By Dr. Taha Jabir Al-`Alawani
    April 19, 2005

    Fabricating lies against the Muslim nation is unacceptable, be it done by an individual or a group. Moreover, such a fabricator or alleger against the Muslim nation is deemed wrong, regardless of the validity of his point of view. Dr. Tariq should have referred such an issue to specialized men of religion and institutions, namely the Muslim jurisprudents and scholars and Islamic fiqh academies, instead of changing the issue into a media topic that preoccupies Muslims.
    This religion consists of belief and Shari`ah (Islamic Law), and the latter is application of the former. The difference between Shari`ah and fiqh (Islamic jurisprudence) is that Shari`ah is set by Allah; whereas fiqh is the human comprehension of Shari`ah. In addition, religion has been perfectly completed by the message of Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him). Thus, religion is not incomplete, neither in belief nor in Shari`ah, that some individual or group comes today to allege that they are going to complete it.
    The success achieved by Shari`ah in forming our culture, mentality, and tradition changed it into part of our identity. So, any trial to separate us and Shari`ah means that there is a plot to efface our identity, culture, and tradition. There is not a believer, believing in Allah, His Messenger and the Last Day, who can support such a plot or claim that we Muslims are in no longer need of Shari`ah.
    There is a common misconception among some people as regards the comprehensive meaning of Shari`ah—that includes acts of worship, dealings, and morals, and penalties. This made some people, due to their ignorance, refer to Shari`ah as penalties or penal law. This is, in fact, a very limited perception that shows their lack of understanding of both fiqh and Shari`ah.
    Today, we live in a world where Shari`ah is almost not applied. Even those few states and governments that declare their application and adoption of Shari`ah neither apply nor execute any of its penalties. Shari`ah is a whole, unique entity that cannot be divided. Today, we face a great challenge that aims at demolishing everything we have: our belief, our moral system, and even our way of worship. [This last remark refers to the woman who led Muslims in prayer (as imam) in the United States.]
    Today, our Muslim nation is facing schemes of demolition and ruination and trials to separate Muslims and everything related to their religion. Therefore, a wise Muslim should never be lured into such traps, because this would make the Muslim nation more likely to be lured into more moral challenges.
    Such a call [as Tariq Ramadan’s] had better be examined and analyzed by Muslim scholars and jurisprudents to discuss the proofs first. The proposal of deactivating the Islamic legal penalties today is a trial to remove the barriers between liberalism and Muslim man, for the purpose of getting belief and Shari`ah out of his mind.
    Destruction of Islamic Law (Shari`ah) has always been a target, for our enemies are aware that Shari`ah is the real obstacle in their destructive schemes. So it is by no means acceptable or reasonable that one of the members of the Muslim nation comes today to fabricate allegations that contribute to the demolition of the nation. I exclude the possibility that fame is just the purpose of such allegations.
    Dr. Tariq Ramadan should rather study the current state of the Muslim nation side by side with Shari`ah, to point out the deficiencies that should be worked on to apply Shari`ah. He should also tell us if he has any plan to change the present of the Muslim nation to make it more suitable for the application of Shari`ah, so that his call of suspending the application of Islamic legal penalties for some years becomes worth considering.
    Dr. Taha Jabir Al-`Alawani is the president of the Graduate School of Islamic and Social Sciences.
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  20. Husain Al-QadiFeb 9, 2011 03:03 PM
    And here was another response to Mr Ramadan he tried it the last time:

    An Impotent Call
    April 19, 2005

    Tariq Al-Bishri, former head of Egypt’s State Council and prominent Islamic thinker, and Salah Sultan, member of the European Council for Fatwa and Research and the International Association of Muslim Scholars (IAMS), see eye to eye with Dr. Ahmed Al-Rawi, chairman of the Islamic Organizations in Europe, on Ramadan’s call for a moratorium of hudud (prescribed Islamic penalties).
    Rawi added, “Tariq Ramadan is a renowned Muslim thinker and caller, but he’d better concentrate on the dialogues he holds with the Western thinkers. As for a call of this kind, there are specialized bodies like the International Association of Muslim Scholars and the European Council for Fatwa and Research that are, in my opinion, the only bodies that can address such questions.”
    Rawi also refused Ramadan’s justifying his call as a means of combating the vile campaigns that aim at distorting Islam in the West. Rawi said, “We have been living in the West for so many years and the attacks on Islam will never come to a stop by such calls; rather, they could open a new front against the Muslim faith.”
    Rawi furthermore considered this call an innovation that came after the “woman leading men in Prayer in the United States and the opening of a women-only mosque in Holland, and now we have the hudud moratorium call from Switzerland.”
    Rawi regarded handling the subject matter of the call in this way as wrong. According to him, such a call will not benefit Islam in any way, not to mention the controversy and disagreement it may trigger in the Muslim world. In his point of view, it will cause more harm than good to Islam.
    “Where on earth are such hudud applicable?” Rawi wondered, and then said, “They are not implemented in all Muslim countries and there are some reservations on the application of these hudud in Saudi Arabia.”
    Furthermore, Rawi expressed his fear that Ramadan’s call could rouse “needless religious sedition” and noted that he should have consulted leading Muslim bodies before jumping to his conclusion.
    Rawi concluded by saying, “I respect Tariq Ramadan as a Muslim thinker and caller, but I deem him far above tackling thorny issues of this kind. At the very least, they need a minute study on the part of specialized juristic academics before a word is voiced about them.” Rawi added that Ramadan should have consulted specialized scholars and jurists before launching his call through the media, which would seize the opportunity to attack Islam. Rawi described Ramadan’s call as “impotent” and urged him to review his situation and backtrack on his controversial call, for it does not benefit the Muslim nation at all.
    Dr. Ahmed Al-Rawi is the President of the Federation of Islamic Organizations in Europe, and a member of the European Council for Fatwa and Research.
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  21. Husain Al-QadiFeb 9, 2011 03:12 PM
    These articles I have posted were in response to Tariq Ramadan's first attack on the rulings of the Quran. They were copied from the IslamOnline.net website in 2005.
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  22. Husain Al-QadiFeb 9, 2011 03:16 PM
    Another response to TR from a moderate scholar:

    Reconsideration Required
    April 19, 2005

    In his turn, Dr. Salah Sultan, member of the Fiqh Council of North America, member of the European Council for Fatwa and Research, and member of the International Association of Muslim Scholars (IAMS), invites Tariq Ramadan, an Islamic thinker, to reconsider his call and to give up any further approach to such an issue.
    Sultan maintains that tackling such an issue might increase the disagreement and dissension among Muslims regarding something which is not one of the Ummah’s priorities for the time being. On the other hand, approaching such an issue may give a chance to secularists and anti-Islamists to move to attack Islam itself as a result of the wrong perception of some Muslims, as stated by the Islamic thinker Dr. Fahmi Huwaidi.
    Sultan said, “I may agree with Tariq Ramadan that during the application of the Islamic legal penalties in a certain country, there could be injustice to the poor, for penalties might be applied to the poor whereas the rich, the rulers and the oppressors are excluded.” He added, “When things are upside down in Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan, Chechnya, Kashmir, and other places, we cannot make the wrongdoing of some Muslims in applying Islamic rulings a reason or justification for making it a worldwide issue of public opinion.”
    Sultan invites Tariq Ramadan to “reconsider his call and to refer it first to the International Association of Muslim Scholars or the European Council for Fatwa and Research or the Fiqh Council of North America. He advises him to consult trustworthy Muslim scholars such as Dr. Yusuf Al-Qaradawi and Dr. Taha Jabir Al-`Alwani so as to consider all aspects of the issue. Sultan also asks Tariq Ramadan to consult trustworthy Muslim scholars in Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and other Muslim countries where Islamic legal penalties are still being applied, as they are more aware of them. Sultan also stresses the significance of realizing the consequences of approaching such an issue.
    Dr. Salah Sultan is the president of the American Center for Islamic Research, Columbus, Ohio, and member of the European Council for Fatwa and Research.
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  23. I don't hear Tariq Ramadan complaining that he was grossly misrepresented in that TV program. When do we stop making excuses for someone now now shamelessly opposes verses of the Quran?
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  24. Tariq Ramadan claims to be the big European mufakkir(thinker)who is concerned about European Islam, so why is he calling for a global moratorium on Hudud. When last did Muslims in Europe or North America practice Hudud or called for? This is all about his plan to undermine Usul?
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  25. Shabir PooriwalaFeb 9, 2011 06:55 PM
    It is interesting that the defenders of Sarah Joseph, Tariq Ramadan et al invoke "unity" as the reason for refraining from criticizing such people who openly publicize opinions and views which undermine the established consensus of Islamic understanding and jurisprudence. In fact, by attempting to warp traditional Islam, they are opening the doors to disunity by creating a multiplicity of factions that will selectively believe in varying shades of their distortions, while introducing distortions of their own. Just like the Mu'tazilah splintered into over 22 sub-sects, each more extreme than the last, so too will the followers of TR take his "minor modifications" as a launching point to arrive at religions that even an "intellect" like TR will have difficulty recognizing.

    Unity is on the straight path. Once you wander off the path, the number of options upon which people might differ are infinite.
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  26. An excellent piece on the PM's speech (or regurgitation).

    There is a good comment piece in the Guardian too by its editor:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/feb/09/cameron-scapegoating-muslims-toxic-impact

    Another by Shaykh Shazad Khan giving a sociological perspective on the language/media:

    http://micropaedia.wordpress.com/2011/02/09/%E2%80%98i%E2%80%99m-a-muslim-but-i%E2%80%99m-not-a-terrorist%E2%80%99-segregation-vs-integration/

    Very interesting read.
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  27. Let me get this straight, are you saying that Professor Tariq Ramadan told the sister to write her WILL different from what the Qur'an stipulates? I don't believe it. Professor Ramadan is not a such a sell out, he defends the Quran and Sunnah. Could someone please post an link to the programme. The one in the article is not working.
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  28. Husain Al-QadiFeb 10, 2011 03:07 PM
    @ Anonymous defending Tariq Ramadan who said that "I've seen Tariq Ramadan talk, and he has sincerity and knowledge."

    Tony Blair also looked very sincere when he talked about weapons of mass destruction but it does not make him truthful in what he said. It's called acting and pretence. Tariq Ramadan is a very good actor and pretender.

    As for knowledge, Tariq Ramadan is extremely shallow. He is a typical postmodernist. These are people who pretend to be knowledgeble by using complex and convoluted nonsensical sentences that has little or no meaning. The aim is to occupy people's minds with a confused fog of words without actually saying anything of substance. When they write it is even worse. Here is a couple of examples from his last book (The Quest for Meaning) that are complete nonsensical in meaning:

    1.‘We are heading for that realm of consciousness and mind where all wisdoms remind us that it is its shores that make the ocean one, and that it is the plurality of human journeys that shapes the common humanity of men.’

    2. ‘Truth (insofar as it has a value) and meaning (for itself) are, quite logically, regarded as truth and meaning of everything.’
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  29. " the government has made belief in Islamic orthodoxy a punishable sin to be rooted out"

    Government should be completely out of religion
    to begin with.
    However, statements such as Cameron, Merkel and Sarkozy suggest that their governments will now take an officially dim view of communities that do not accept the fundamental tenets of European liberal democracy e.g. freedom of speech, separation of religion and state, etc.

    This will be a problem for Muslim communities where primary loyalty must necessarily reside with Islamic teachings, not with the nation-state. For them, the evolving ethics of Modernity can in no way be comparable to what they believe to be revealed by their holy scriptures. Unfortunately for all parties involved, this is a dilemma which at present has no real solution.
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  30. It is interesting to see the influence of "academia" on certain individuals... the company of those that see their intellect as the ruling king seems to be rubbing off on muslims. TR needs to take stock - it is Allah that is All Knowing not him or his academic friends.
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  31. @ anonymous 20:54

    He has never claimed any such thing. I am yet to hear (other than the usual saudi salafs) a scholar say that he is changing or trying to change Islam. You should read Suhaib Webb's page on Ijtihad this is covered very well. Don't use hyperbole and emotion to crtique someone you disagree with, just make the points objectively.
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  32. Assalamu alaikum

    A much needed, response - where are all the other imams, da'ees, scholars. They should support Shaikh Haitham's open letter - about time someone tooka bold stance for Islam rather than allow themselves and Muslims to be walked over...

    http://www.islam21c.com/politics/2208-open-letter-to-mr-cameron
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